Fairly new seller from UAE
Member since: 26-Oct-18 in United Arab Emirates
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/ancient.romana/m.html?item=373071162772&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
He is:
Mr Mir Jan Mir Agha
Ancient Romana online gallery
Dubai
United Arab Emirates
Has defrauded many new gullible collectors.
Some things very obvious fakes, others much better made.
This crook is manging to sell very costly fakes to uninformed eBayers!
Stan
ancient-romana is indeed selling very costly fakes to uninformed eBayers. The difference is he offers a full refund policy if any of his items are definitively determined to be genuine. No other crooks do that.
Gaius
Rather amazing he hasn't more negative feedback.This only confirms my belief that the average buyer of "antiquities" on eBay knows zilch about the subject!
I see he writes such as:
We are really sorry for the inconvenience caused. We have been selling since years on ebay and this is the first time we got this feedbacks from you so its hard for me to believe.... can you send me the test results and also you could ask for refund or to solve any issue you had instead of giving negative feedback... I even asked for his satisfaction before he left any feedback but heard nothing.
I do not believe them! They are con men and cheats.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373755305045?hash=item57058d5c55:g:9CUAAOSw0qNhZ0Zg
Copied badly from....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stele_of_the_Vultures
Mike Davies of "antiquiti" sold a slightly better copy.... of course also sold as genuinely ancient!
These fraudsters are getting away with as bad as Sadigh ever did!
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/manhattan-dealer-busted-selling-hundreds-fake-cookie-cutter-antiquities-says-manhattan-d-2002850
Of course not hundreds, but tens of thousands!!!!
This forum has been teling it like it is since 2012!
https://ancientartifakes.net/smf/index.php/topic,1024.0.html
Kelly
Continues unheeded to fool so many gullible ebayers!
Sells for large amounts of money too!
ALL FAKE!! ALL FAKE ALL FAKE ALL FAKE
I bought him 4 items in August 2020, as I paid with paypal and I realized all of them were fakes i asked him for a complete refund and he did it. He confirmed me they were fake, written probe. He is still selling on ebay
Serious fraud going on here!!
Kelly
Note that this seller has another eBay account as well:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?item=394971850120&rt=nc&_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l2562&_ssn=ancientromana-uk
The representative in London is:
Imran Aleem
Flat 21 Kensington House, 34 Park Lodge Avenue, West Drayton, England, UB7 9DG
Mr Imran Aleem also sells used motorcars and clothing.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/qByZBvM57Pi1pA57d68PBleiUrM/appointments
Jerry
.................and this seller looks like they obtain many things from the same source.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_ssn=art-ifact_saleroom&store_name=artifactsaleroom&_dmd=2&_oac=1&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562
Utterly inconceivable how these shysters continually get away with such thievery and malfeasance. No laws being broken here??!!
Gaius
The maker of this fake has found the original to copy from online at the British Museum in London UK .
This seller pushes out many very expensive badly made copies of things in various museums.
Has 100% positive feedback of course"
Dr Bron has shown many on his website in the fakes sections.
For example>>> https://tinyurl.com/dz56bxcu
This message above was reported to Admin on March 20th by a member of this forum.
We don't know why the comments were done in this way rather than simply replying to the message.
They left the following message:
I bought this product and after seeing this post i had got a mini heart attack so i was about to make a problem for the seller but i wanted to make sure so i tested the item and it turned out ancient. So how can he say its a fake? This distracts us.
Indeed it no longer appears for sale by this seller on eBay.
We emailed this member several times asking to confirm that that is what they meant and to let us know what "tests" " they have used to persuade them that it is authentically ancient
We received no reply.
We note that the IP address for this member is Abu Dhabi.
We note that the seller ancient.romana says on eBay that they ship from Dubai.
We note that these two centres in the United Arab Emirates are very near each other.
Admin
Hi,
This is strange. What's going on do you think?
The plaque is VERY CLEARLY a fake!
Kelly.
Expecting a mea culpa, admission or apology, perhaps? Surprised he said anything
The items from ancient romana gallery on ebay are all looking genuine to many of us. Even after testing on 2 item by spending extra 800 bucks! It turned out old! A terracotta cuneiform tablet and a terracotta figurine.
Hi,
You previously said that you bought that plaque with the archers on it and had it "tested" which
showed it was genuine.
I cannot undestand that.
Can you please let us have information about this "testing".
Kelly.
Not only "testing" but also define "real"!!!!! Anything within three dimensions with mass is technically "real"
Gaius
The member Mujtaba wrote:
The items from ancient romana gallery on ebay are all looking genuine to many of us.
Yes, many are well made but many also not well made and very obviously fake!
Pat
The British offshoot ancientromana-uk is back
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?item=394553770693&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562&_ssn=ancientromana-uk
but now: "Registered as a private seller Thereby, consumer rights stemming from EU consumer protection law do not apply. eBay buyer protection still applies to most purchases"
BUYER BEWARE!
Quote from: oldthings on August 25, 2022, 11:07:01 PM.................and this seller looks like they obtain many things from the same source.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_ssn=art-ifact_saleroom&store_name=artifactsaleroom&_dmd=2&_oac=1&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562
It is surely the same seller!
Look at the gullible feedback this crook gets!
Will these poor eBayers ever learn the truth??
Kelly
That whole ebay "Feedback" shtick is worthless & meaningless aside from generating the company more profits
Gaius
This crooked seller, Mr Mir, should be promoted to nearer the top of the worst list. His fakes vary in quite a lot: some well made so me pretty badly made. He is taking a lot of gulible people to the cleaners as they say. For the last thing shown below: it is copied from a n artifact in the British Museum in London. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1848-1104-3
Hi,
And for the first item above, that is a copy of a very famous cylinder seal: the king Darius in his hunting chariot.
See here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Darius_seal._Darius_stands_in_a_royal_chariot_below_Ahura_Mazda_and_shoots_arrows_at_a_rampant_lion._From_Thebes,_Egypt._6th-5th_century_BCE._British_Museum_%28cropped%29.jpg
Kelly.
Mr. Mutjaba must party on Jägermeister & Nepalese temple hashish to think up this stuff
Gaius
This crook seller of fakes offers increasingly absurd things! Such as never found in antiquity.
Also he (Mr Mujtaba Mir) knows very little about ancient artefacts despite what some of his duped clients think!
Bactrian style figure he calls Sumerian!
Figures standing on square shaped fake tablets... never seen in antiquity.
Two bronze Osiris figurines ...from the same fake factory! Very obviously so!
"Round ball shaped tablet" ???? No, not a tablet, it's a fake bulla.
Many if not most sellers of fake antiquities know nothing about the subject.
Jerry
ebay is the perfect platform for scammers & shysters like this fiend to rip people off and get away with it. No laws broken anywhere apparently. ebay certainly couldn't care less unless you complain. Then all that happens is you get your money back. Good for you but bad for the rest of the gullible buying public.
Take a peek at categories such as ancient terracotta idols/figurines and feast your eyes on another mother lode of conniving bullcrap. Scrolled through mucho pages without finding a single unequivocally genuine artifact. All bullcrap. All covered by ebays money back guarantee. Big deal.
Just my two cents - Gaius
I dont Agree. Many items we bought from this seller are genuine. Me and my few friends bought several pcs and checked them, they all were to be true. Yes maybe some small cheap pcs (might be) reproduction, but if you see thats the case with every seller or auction house out there, this seller is different from otger ebay sellers. p.s the islamic/middle eastern items he has are amazing and rare (old).
Joe Franklin,
Amazing & rare what? Reproductions? Absolutely. Rare reproductions? Absolutely not. Wait a while and see similar if not identical "one of a kind" offerings from other sources. Problem is, this phony stuff is rarely labeled as such. And dealers have a habit of mixing in these museum gift shop finds with genuine stuff to disorient, confuse, obfuscate and ultimately pick the pocket of the unwary.
Just my two cents,
Gaius
This seller who is Mir Jan Mir Agha also known by his customers as Mr Mir writes:
"We provide the best and finest near eastern/ middle eastern Art on Ebay. +30 years experience in fine arts. Ancient Romana Gallery."
If after 30 plus years in the business he can't properly identify and describe an ancient artefact or can't tell fake from genuine, then he is either a grossly incompetent seller or a crook! Make your choice.
The member Joe who has written above says "maybe some small cheap pcs (might be) reproduction, but if you see thats the case with every seller or auction house out there,"
No! I am not accepting this! Some of the most expensive pieces sold by this man are well made fakes. There are more fakes for sale there than possibly genuine. Any real antiquities dealer or auction house who sold this proportion of fakes would go out of business quickly. But on eBay, with so many gullible and poorly informed buyers, crooks like this man can get away with it. Well, yes get away with it until someone does something about this. Sooner or later, just like Mr Sadigh, the police will come calling.
Jerry.
I'm always highly suspicious when a supposed collector comes onto the forum to defend an obvious and blatant seller of fakes like this man in Dubai. I was suspicious of the member Mujtaba as well: he said he bought something from this guy and had it "tested" and it was genuine. But he never responded to requests for details about this. Hmmmm? Makes one suspicious indeed.
Kelly.
Some comments on feedback.
I really think that this crooked seller should be elevated to the top of the list!
He gets my vote as the next Dean of the P.T. Barnum College of Chicanery
...
Now moved to the top and sharing the top slot with the long time purveyor of many fakes in his offerings , Artemission.
More comments on his feedback (from duped gullible buyers)
Jerry
Probably gave away free phony stuff for writing such rubbish
I have heard from a collector who has bought something from this man. It is very definitely a fairly well made fake. He is proposing to return it for a full refund but is also going to take action to get this seller looked into by the appropriate authorities.
Pat
NOTE:
Has changed ID to arts-ancient
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_ssn=arts-ancient&store_name=ancientromanagallery&_oac=1&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562
Hi,
Many of this seller's fake item are shown and explained on Dr Bron's website.
This one for examople....
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/374970820543?hash=item574e00a7bf:g:s78AAOSwOKJlHx2S
is here..
https://www.collector-antiquities.com/real-or-fake/fake-sumerian-perforated-plaques/fake-sumerian-perforated-plaques-2/fake-sumerian-perforated-plaques-page-3/fake-sumerian-plaques-page-4.html
K.
Superlative shyster known far & wide, he is! And all perfectly acceptable to ebay, I might add!!
Quote from: dig4gold on September 03, 2023, 12:02:08 PMI have heard from a collector who has bought something from this man. It is very definitely a fairly well made fake. He is proposing to return it for a full refund but is also going to take action to get this seller looked into by the appropriate authorities.
Pat
arts-ancient is gone!!!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_ssn=arts-ancient&store_name=ancientromanagallery&_oac=1&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562
I wonder....
Is he really gone, or just laying low until the timing seems right to reappear under different monikers and/or different selling platforms? Always a market for his types of antiquities
He's back on eBay again!
Actually selling some genuine Roman glass bottles!
Also some really awful fake cylinder seals.
Kelly
He has changed his ID on eBay again;
Now is : ancient-arts-gallery
And gives this info now
Madinat kharasan silvers and nov l l c
King faisal street
Al majaz, souq al markazi shop 48
61156 Sharjah
United Arab Emirates
searching on this leads to:
Madinat Kharasan Jewellers & Novelties
1 Floor, Shop 48,Central Souk, 3 , King Faisal Street, Al Majaz , Sharjah
Yes, good description of his fakes: "novelties"
https://clarifiedby.diligenciagroup.com/company/summary/3423321-madinat-kharasan-jewellers-and-novelties-trading/
Jerry
How does this fraudster get away with this????!!!
Mr Mir, our fiendly eBay frauster whose customers think is very nice and helpful, has quite a number of quite badly made fake cylnder seals. Here are just three . Many more there.
Kelly
Everything has to be genuine because his web site features a You Tube video of his recent grave robbing trip to Iraq. Shows him hightailing it over the border with Nebuchadnezzar's stuff, hot lead flying from AK-47's the whole while. What a guy to put himself in personal danger to offer the antiquities world such wonderful stuff, and at bargain basement prices! No, I'm not serious.
Gaius
This bad seller manages to sell so called cunieform tablets such as most definitely never existed in ancient times.
Look at these ridiculous things!
The buyers on eBay who fall for such as these simply don't know anything at all about such artefcts.
Harvey
Changed his ID again to Ancient Arts Store
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ssn=ancient-arts-gallery&store_name=ancientartsstore&_oac=1&_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l161211
Mr Mujtaba Mir betrays his profound ignorance.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/375234460692?hash=item575db77c14:g:2OcAAOSwNwVlv7rH&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4EMrWoSXfOV%2B8BZ5f1ehEJV3FYGymwn1C0u4QG6Ar2GQV3Wjvvs0IE7ylXlKHBxUsMB73cug3SoCcWy9p7QbAdxhevRw6DYv78aItOicFNSehAcXLsM7BAODe8O6RT2DpKkWqbsvOXfyXPtWAUWm9PxyThnZJV2UXolIg505e3YZRBojvpIOklefl9xkLDVEvY7kdiOcYUHgLDIPqjR8ATY%2FEIlOl0omtQtTChkoTQGm3Met2uCKvizBPtjFSWQjo5%2B8bYNhbfTY746gyVXOvtnkbUOyr1o88mcQnFKWXqqf%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9i46ZCxYw
CIRCA TERRACOTTA SYRO HITTITE STATUE IDOL HARAPPAN.
It is approx 2000 miles between the Syro-Hittite Kingdoms and Harappa !
Why not telephone him to complain!
+971 507578567
Jerry
Here is another fake thing from Mr Mir which is badly copied from a well known original in the British Museum
http://tinyurl.com/2hx5mxvh
https://www.worldhistory.org/image/7281/decapitated-heads-of-assyrian-enemies/
Alabaster bas-relief showing Assyrian soldiers holding the decapitated heads of their defeated enemy before Assyrian musicians. Neo-Assyrian Period, 865-860 BCE. Detail of Panel 6 (top), Room B, the North-Palace Palace, Nimrud, modern-day Iraq. (The British Museum, London)
Kelly
Wonder where the birdie came from?
Search on google images and hey presto, this pair appear side by side! :o)
Happy, satisfied cudstomers continue to spend a lot of money on Mr Mir's badly made fakes.
(Many of his fakes are however quite well made)
Jerry
Changed his ID again. Now "Ancient Arts Store"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_ssn=ancient-arts-gallery&store_name=ancientartsstore&_oac=1&_sop=10
Yet more fake pieces from this notorious seller which are copied from artefacts in the Louvre Museum.
Here the fake masker missed the important detail that the legs of the throne are anumal legs.
Kelly
Started "Go Fund Me" page to get this crook euthanized. Donations tax deductible.
I often wonder what Mr Mujtaba Mir feels when he gets glowing feedback like this.
I wonder if he has a slight sense of guilt...or is he simply a sociopath?
Jerry
Mr Mir has another Selling ID : art-ifact_saleroom
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?item=204865354556&rt=nc&_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l170197&_ssn=art-ifact_saleroom
All genuine reproductions