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Title: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: casefresh on August 21, 2023, 10:51:55 PM
Any insight into them would be appreciated.

Thanks
Title: Re: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: gaius asinius on August 22, 2023, 02:19:32 PM
Latter two rings are modern fakes. Other two are real/genuine in the sense of not being modern fakes:

Images 1through 3 - Awfully obscure engraving on carnelian insert. No earlier than late medieval and probably a whole lot later

Image 4 - Early modern lower end decorative piece , copper alloy, six of original paste/glass inserts missing

Image 5 - Skull & scowl imagery too angular/severe for a genuine memento mori piece. Likely a fantasy ring

Image 6 - Modern East European fake mass produced to satiate demand for this sort of thing

Gaius
Title: Re: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: casefresh on August 22, 2023, 09:05:32 PM
Thanks so much for the info! Exactly what I thought as well.  Here are a couple more rings.  What do you think of these? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: gaius asinius on August 22, 2023, 09:48:16 PM
Ring 1: Insert and band are of entirely different age IF the coin is genuine. If not then the whole thing could be anywhere from the 17th to 19th century.
Ring 2: Would have to research this but possibly Islamic/Ottoman. No earlier than Medieval Period.
Gaius
Title: Re: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: Archaic on August 23, 2023, 10:46:26 AM
Hi,

Certainly agree with gaius asinus (whose expertise with ancient rings is well known and whose comments on the forum here are much appreciated!) Can only add that the last ring of the first group is definitely modern and based on a silver coin from Thrace.

https://www.baldwin.co.uk/product/islands-off-thrace-thasos-silver-stater-3/

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Title: Re: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: gaius asinius on August 23, 2023, 02:22:49 PM
Thank you muchly. Gotta help one another

Gaius
Title: Re: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: casefresh on August 25, 2023, 04:21:30 PM
Thanks everyone! Not sure about the comment on the coin ring. Are you saying if it's not a real coin, it's from the 17th - 19th century? And if it is a real coin, then it is from an earlier time? How do you know the coin and ring are from different periods?
Thanks again everyone.
Title: Re: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: gaius asinius on August 25, 2023, 08:05:21 PM
The setting (band) is certainly not Roman, and is dateable to the post-medieval/early modern period. Into this setting was inserted a Roman coin which looks like Vespasian, but don't quote me. No idea if the coin is genuine. Don't know why anyone would take the time to fabricate such a low-value item, but anything is possible.

Does this clarify?

Gaius
Title: Re: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: Jerry F on August 27, 2023, 02:17:53 PM
Hi,

I think the Roman coin is a denarius of Domitian actually.
Might be genuine but is of low value in that condition.

The other coin ring with the Thrace/Thasos stater is surely not a genuine coin.
It would be crazy to put a genuine example into such a ring.

Jerry.
Title: Re: Are some or all of these roman rings real/genuine or fake?
Post by: Joe6321 on September 07, 2023, 09:11:08 PM
Some of the rings are old.