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TOP TEN antiquiti / Re: Some matching items between Antiquiti and Thai shops
« Last post by gaius asinius on October 10, 2021, 02:28:39 PM »
Remarkable how that Davies dude manages to survive and flourish in the fake antiquities racket. Money talks!

Gauis
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TOP TEN antiquiti / Re: Some matching items between Antiquiti and Thai shops
« Last post by oldthings on October 10, 2021, 11:31:31 AM »
Some saved screenshots from Lodewiyk's first message
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TOP TEN antiquiti / Re: Some matching items between Antiquiti and Thai shops
« Last post by Jerry F on October 09, 2021, 09:22:30 PM »
Hi,

Amazing that Mr Davies manages to sell such rubbish and also manages to get eBay to remove the negative feedback comments!

That axe head is sold by many sellers of fakes. It is a copy of a famous piece in the Met Museum.
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/329076

Jerry
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TOP TEN antiquiti / Some matching items between Antiquiti and Thai shops
« Last post by L on October 09, 2021, 08:16:42 PM »
I tried replying to the Antiquiti topic but I can not, it is locked, if you want to move this post please feel free, thank you!

The shop "Antiquiti" has been discussed on this board. From what I can gather from those messages it's one of the longest lasting shops selling fakes. Over 15.000+ references, crazy. Never dealt with them and never will, so I can not share any experiences.

https://www.ebay.ca/str/antiquitishop?rt=nc&_bkw=indus

I'm still working on seeing what's possible by simply searching for images. By accident ran into this seller. Turns out there's quiet a few matches with Thai shops. ....all shops that were mentioned in another post on this board. These  "artefacts" that are similar to the Thai ones are more widespread than I thought.

First link of every set of 2 is to the Antiquiti auction, second to a Thai Ebay shop
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/154628378045?hash=item240091cdbd:g:sxQAAOSwMEBhUboW
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184294929325?hash=item2ae8d573ad:g:S3UAAOSwodFewC3G

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/154631035474?hash=item2400ba5a52:g:LC0AAOSwA41hVDwu
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184292260249?hash=item2ae8acb999:g:6HAAAOSw0V1evXpR

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/154629829287?hash=item2400a7f2a7:g:ezAAAOSwP3lhUw5U
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184874031791?hash=item2b0b59daaf:g:tbAAAOSwGr1gvQwN

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/154631047900?hash=item2400ba8adc:g:E7UAAOSw2GRhVD9D
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124785356686?hash=item1d0dc96f8e:g:HncAAOSw8~lg1Li8

and 2 by Antiquiti
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/154629649307?hash=item2400a5339b:g:TlsAAOSwwlFhUu41
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/154628383834?hash=item240091e45a:g:nFcAAOSwqoJhUbsV
And the Thai one
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154310303216?hash=item23ed9c5df0:g:W4UAAOSwwlNf8G46

Did screenshot them all, just no time to edit them, I 'll add them if by some chance the links/pages to the auctions disappear.
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ancientroman / Re: ancientroman
« Last post by gaius asinius on September 20, 2021, 09:08:25 AM »
You know, looking at this egregious ebay stuff at breakfast makes you lose your morning oatmeal
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ancientroman / ancientroman
« Last post by Archaic on September 19, 2021, 07:22:02 PM »
eBay seller called ancientroman


also calls themselves Ancient Roman Intaglio


They write:


Hi there, Welcome to our eBay Store, We are a long time Antique dealer Based in Thailand,United Arab Emirates,United Kingdom,Japan and China, We come from a family of antique dealers and now we finally thought to give the online Antique market a try, Most of Our items are acquired from United Kingdom & Afghanistan, Most of the items we've listed we ship from Thailand, Bangkok, We deal in all kinds of Ancient & Vintage Antiques anything from the Bactrian,Roman,Sasanian,Islamic and all other kinds and ages of antiques, We sell Anything from Ancient Roman glass, Ancient beads, Ancient gold, Cylinder seals, scaraboids-Seals, Seal stamps, Islamic ceramics, Seal stamps and all other kinds of Antiques, As we are new eBay seller we do not have much reviews but rest assured we are a reliable Seller, We ship out items within one day of receiving clear PayPal payment and we provided a tracking number immediately, For more inquires Please don't hesitate to contact us, Follow us for more Info.


https://www.ebay.com/sch/ancientroman/m.html?item=133536107506&hash=item1f175f4bf2%3Ag%3ANRgAAOSw%7EgxfeIUG&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562


 The vast majority of what the offer for sale is  NOT ANCIENT. Look at their Bactrian composite figurines. Fresh from the little factory! They ship direct from the factories and offer groups and multiples at big discounts.


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https://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2021/09/


Friday, 3 September 2021
Iowa Takes Credit for Revealing the bleeding Obvious

Parker Jones, Arts Reporter for the Daily Iowan claims (September 2, 2021) 'Decades-long scheme exposed: UI professor and grad student uncover forged antiquities'.

A massive forgery scheme has been exposed, and it all began with the discoveries of a University of Iowa art history professor and graduate student when they discovered over 90 fake artifacts in an exhibit at the Hoover museum. Innumerable artifacts forged, thousands of dollars defrauded, and countless individuals and businesses deceived without the discoveries of a University of Iowa professor and graduate student, it all may never have been unearthed. In April 2019 ...



How disappointed he would be to find out that if he'd done some research for his article - precisely on that "arts" market, he'd quickly come across a whole number of resources warning of the alleged problems with items from the stock of a particular dealer. We could start with the thread "Sadigh: king of fake sellers" thread on the Ancientartifakes Forum of August 11, 2012, detailing (with links, many still active) the efforts of collectors to attract attention to this issue. There was a petition in 2013 - here are some of the comments from it. Dealers, mindful of the fact that their profits are reliant on the market ever-expanding and not contracting, were reporting him wherever they could, afraid that if too many people found out later that they'd bought items that could not be considered genuine, the public would lose confidence in the market in its present no-questions-asked form. There's a pinterest page of 2013 raising some issues. From the same year, there is a cautionary TripAdvisor page reporting problems.  Some of the comments on a Yelp page are worth consideration (but look at the positive reviews too). The ICOM International Observatory on Illicit Traffic in Cultural Goods website has since 2013 featured prominently the well-made You Tube video made by a group of collector/dealer activists raising these issues (that I'll embed below if you've not seen it). One buyer was a "James" who bought some things from the dealer back in 2007 - the responses he got from the forum shows this problem was recognised well before 2013. He had already found himself right at the top on the forum's April 18, 2005, list of notorious fake sellers. Interestingly, and presciently, one forum member referred back in 2007 to the dealer's "basement-built antiquities". On Worthpoint there are a series of sales offers that provide information about this dealer (I am not clear who posted these items).


There is actually lots more. As can be seen, the 'core' collecting community - especially in the US at least - was already aware that there were problems with this dealer's objects fifteen years ago, and made an effort to alert potential fellow buyers to this issue. I do not know whether the dealer was reported to anyone at this time, but certainly the information was out there to find - if you look. In 2012-2013, there was a concerted effort to get the dealer closed down by raising awareness and by reporting him. There are many fake sellers in the market, but this one particularly provoked the ire of the collecting community and fellow dealers - part of the reason was the way he allegedly responded, with legal threats.


But this affair shows the inability of the antiquities market to self-regulate itself. The campaign petered out (the petition only got 155 signatures for example) and nobody took any interest, the dealer stayed in business as before, buyers still kept purchasing his stuff, and the Manhattan authorities just let this carry on right under their noses. The same thing happened with Kapoor. The Manhattan authorities turned a blind eye to many years activity right under their noses and only acted when their citizen was arrested in Europe and extradited to India. Then they decided to take their own look into the gallery, and act "surprised" about the scale of what they them (but only then) found.


In the recent case, what seem to be "basement-built antiquities" were openly flogged for three decades (I think it was) and everybody knew what was going on. Dealers were concerned, the rest of us engaged in schadenfreude, when seeing what people were purchasing as antiquities, laughing at the gullible people that stubbornly and pig-headedly ignored the maxim, "first buy the book, then the antiquity".


I do not know how many of the people who were disappointed to be told later that what they had bought were not genuine antiquities and got their money back reported the dealer (in the public interest). But however many it was, it would seem indeed to be the case that the Manhattan DA only took an interest when it was a Presidential Museum that fell indirectly a victim to the process. If that is so, that really shows the pitiful extent that the antiquities market in the US is scrutinised and regulated by the authorities. Think of that the next time the DA get out their decorative tablecloth to display some more antiquities they are "repatriating" as the good guys, with all the speeches and canapes. Here's the video. As far as I know, there was never any response from the gallery showing sample (even) documentation of the legitimate sources from which these antiquities had been obtained. Maybe we'll see it in the court case.


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Posted on You Tube Mar 3, 2013 by ' sadighgalleryfakes'
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVqzyAf8pIc


One would like to believe that they picked out the worst from the dealer's stock to make this video. Having seen quite a lot of photos of the items he sells (they are widely posted in collectors' forums and held up for ridicule), I am not so sure. There are obviously a lot of gullible people out there who buy antiquities and are not equipped to understand/interpret/analyse what they have before their eyes, or have in their hands.



Mr Barford says:
But this affair shows the inability of the antiquities market to self-regulate itself.



No, that is nonsense! Sadigh was never a member of the proper antiquities market!!  He was just a crook.
This long standing fiasco of him getting away with fraud for so long was NOT the inability of the antiquities market to self-regulate itself but simply an example of how criminals can get away with their fraud despite people trying to get the"authorities" involved and get him prosecuted. The problem continues  of course on eBay!!!


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................and WE have been telling rthe world this for years and years...!

See shots from inside his place below.
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Unbelievable! Maybe Mr. Sadigh will soon be making GENUINE license plates at Rikers Island. Good riddance!!
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