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ancientroman / Re: ancientroman
« Last post by gaius asinius on September 20, 2021, 09:08:25 AM »
You know, looking at this egregious ebay stuff at breakfast makes you lose your morning oatmeal
ancientroman / ancientroman
« Last post by Archaic on September 19, 2021, 07:22:02 PM »
eBay seller called ancientroman

also calls themselves Ancient Roman Intaglio

They write:

Hi there, Welcome to our eBay Store, We are a long time Antique dealer Based in Thailand,United Arab Emirates,United Kingdom,Japan and China, We come from a family of antique dealers and now we finally thought to give the online Antique market a try, Most of Our items are acquired from United Kingdom & Afghanistan, Most of the items we've listed we ship from Thailand, Bangkok, We deal in all kinds of Ancient & Vintage Antiques anything from the Bactrian,Roman,Sasanian,Islamic and all other kinds and ages of antiques, We sell Anything from Ancient Roman glass, Ancient beads, Ancient gold, Cylinder seals, scaraboids-Seals, Seal stamps, Islamic ceramics, Seal stamps and all other kinds of Antiques, As we are new eBay seller we do not have much reviews but rest assured we are a reliable Seller, We ship out items within one day of receiving clear PayPal payment and we provided a tracking number immediately, For more inquires Please don't hesitate to contact us, Follow us for more Info.

 The vast majority of what the offer for sale is  NOT ANCIENT. Look at their Bactrian composite figurines. Fresh from the little factory! They ship direct from the factories and offer groups and multiples at big discounts.


Friday, 3 September 2021
Iowa Takes Credit for Revealing the bleeding Obvious

Parker Jones, Arts Reporter for the Daily Iowan claims (September 2, 2021) 'Decades-long scheme exposed: UI professor and grad student uncover forged antiquities'.

A massive forgery scheme has been exposed, and it all began with the discoveries of a University of Iowa art history professor and graduate student when they discovered over 90 fake artifacts in an exhibit at the Hoover museum. Innumerable artifacts forged, thousands of dollars defrauded, and countless individuals and businesses deceived — without the discoveries of a University of Iowa professor and graduate student, it all may never have been unearthed. In April 2019 ...

How disappointed he would be to find out that if he'd done some research for his article - precisely on that "arts" market, he'd quickly come across a whole number of resources warning of the alleged problems with items from the stock of a particular dealer. We could start with the thread "Sadigh: king of fake sellers" thread on the Ancientartifakes Forum of August 11, 2012, detailing (with links, many still active) the efforts of collectors to attract attention to this issue. There was a petition in 2013 - here are some of the comments from it. Dealers, mindful of the fact that their profits are reliant on the market ever-expanding and not contracting, were reporting him wherever they could, afraid that if too many people found out later that they'd bought items that could not be considered genuine, the public would lose confidence in the market in its present no-questions-asked form. There's a pinterest page of 2013 raising some issues. From the same year, there is a cautionary TripAdvisor page reporting problems.  Some of the comments on a Yelp page are worth consideration (but look at the positive reviews too). The ICOM International Observatory on Illicit Traffic in Cultural Goods website has since 2013 featured prominently the well-made You Tube video made by a group of collector/dealer activists raising these issues (that I'll embed below if you've not seen it). One buyer was a "James" who bought some things from the dealer back in 2007 - the responses he got from the forum shows this problem was recognised well before 2013. He had already found himself right at the top on the forum's April 18, 2005, list of notorious fake sellers. Interestingly, and presciently, one forum member referred back in 2007 to the dealer's "basement-built antiquities". On Worthpoint there are a series of sales offers that provide information about this dealer (I am not clear who posted these items).

There is actually lots more. As can be seen, the 'core' collecting community - especially in the US at least - was already aware that there were problems with this dealer's objects fifteen years ago, and made an effort to alert potential fellow buyers to this issue. I do not know whether the dealer was reported to anyone at this time, but certainly the information was out there to find - if you look. In 2012-2013, there was a concerted effort to get the dealer closed down by raising awareness and by reporting him. There are many fake sellers in the market, but this one particularly provoked the ire of the collecting community and fellow dealers - part of the reason was the way he allegedly responded, with legal threats.

But this affair shows the inability of the antiquities market to self-regulate itself. The campaign petered out (the petition only got 155 signatures for example) and nobody took any interest, the dealer stayed in business as before, buyers still kept purchasing his stuff, and the Manhattan authorities just let this carry on right under their noses. The same thing happened with Kapoor. The Manhattan authorities turned a blind eye to many years activity right under their noses and only acted when their citizen was arrested in Europe and extradited to India. Then they decided to take their own look into the gallery, and act "surprised" about the scale of what they them (but only then) found.

In the recent case, what seem to be "basement-built antiquities" were openly flogged for three decades (I think it was) and everybody knew what was going on. Dealers were concerned, the rest of us engaged in schadenfreude, when seeing what people were purchasing as antiquities, laughing at the gullible people that stubbornly and pig-headedly ignored the maxim, "first buy the book, then the antiquity".

I do not know how many of the people who were disappointed to be told later that what they had bought were not genuine antiquities and got their money back reported the dealer (in the public interest). But however many it was, it would seem indeed to be the case that the Manhattan DA only took an interest when it was a Presidential Museum that fell indirectly a victim to the process. If that is so, that really shows the pitiful extent that the antiquities market in the US is scrutinised and regulated by the authorities. Think of that the next time the DA get out their decorative tablecloth to display some more antiquities they are "repatriating" as the good guys, with all the speeches and canapes. Here's the video. As far as I know, there was never any response from the gallery showing sample (even) documentation of the legitimate sources from which these antiquities had been obtained. Maybe we'll see it in the court case.

Posted on You Tube Mar 3, 2013 by ' sadighgalleryfakes'

One would like to believe that they picked out the worst from the dealer's stock to make this video. Having seen quite a lot of photos of the items he sells (they are widely posted in collectors' forums and held up for ridicule), I am not so sure. There are obviously a lot of gullible people out there who buy antiquities and are not equipped to understand/interpret/analyse what they have before their eyes, or have in their hands.

Mr Barford says:
But this affair shows the inability of the antiquities market to self-regulate itself.

No, that is nonsense! Sadigh was never a member of the proper antiquities market!!  He was just a crook.
This long standing fiasco of him getting away with fraud for so long was NOT the inability of the antiquities market to self-regulate itself but simply an example of how criminals can get away with their fraud despite people trying to get the"authorities" involved and get him prosecuted. The problem continues  of course on eBay!!!

................and WE have been telling rthe world this for years and years...!

See shots from inside his place below.
Unbelievable! Maybe Mr. Sadigh will soon be making GENUINE license plates at Rikers Island. Good riddance!!
To preserve all this here in case original sources not available later

For years, law enforcement has prioritised the recovery of looted antiquities, not only because the smuggling of ancient artefacts harms the cultural heritage of their countries of origin, but also because illicit sales have sometimes funded the operations of drug gangs or terrorist organisations.

However, prosecutors claim that Mehrdad Sadigh, a New York antiquities dealer whose gallery has been operating in the shadow of the Empire State Building for decades, decided not to go through the trouble of acquiring ancient items.

Instead, he allegedly created thousands of phoney antiquities in a warren of offices just off his display area and then sold them to unsophisticated and overeager collectors.

“For many years, this phoney antiquities mill in midtown Manhattan promised customers rare treasures from the ancient world and instead sold them pieces manufactured on-site in cookie-cutter fashion,” Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. said in a statement following Mr. Sadigh’s arrest earlier this month.

Mr. Sadigh has pleaded not guilty to charges of deception, grand larceny, criminal possession of a forged instrument, forgery, and criminal simulation.

According to prosecutors, among those he sold to were undercover federal investigators who paid $4,000 for a gold pendant depicting Tutankhamen’s death mask and a marble portrait head of an ancient Roman woman. These sales prompted a visit to the gallery in August by members of the district attorney’s office and Homeland Security investigations, who claimed to have discovered hundreds of fake artefacts on shelves and inside glass cases. Thousands more, they claimed, had been discovered in the rooms behind the gallery, including scarabs, statuettes, and spear heads in various stages of preparation.

According to Matthew Bogdanos, the chief of the district attorney’s Antiquities Trafficking Unit, the visit revealed a sort of assembly-line process designed to distress and otherwise alter mass-produced items of recent vintage so they appear aged. Investigators discovered varnish, spray paints, a belt sander, and mudlike substances of various hues and consistencies, among other tools and materials, he said.

Mr. Sadigh’s lawyer, Gary Lesser, declined to comment on Tuesday.

According to the district attorney’s office, Mr. Sadigh appeared to be one of the country’s largest purveyors of fake artefacts based on the longevity of his business, the number of items seized from his gallery, and his “substantial financial gains.”

Mr. Sadigh had run his gallery for decades, describing it on its website as “a family-owned art gallery specialising in ancient artefacts and coins from around the world.”

The gallery was founded in 1978 as a small mail-order company, according to the website, and in 1982 it relocated to a suite of offices on the upper floor of a building at Fifth Avenue and East 31st Street.

Mr. Sadigh sold items he claimed were Anatolian, Babylonian, Byzantine, Greco-Roman, Mesopotamian, and Sumerian from his location there. The gallery’s website included an antiquities blog as well as customer testimonials. Google reviews were filled with client accounts, some of whom said they had been shopping there for years and many of whom mentioned how much they appreciated the personal service.

A mummified falcon dated to 305-30 B.C. ($9,000), an Egyptian sarcophagus mask carved from wood and dated to 663-525 B.C. ($5,000), and an iron and nickel fragment from a meteorite that landed in Mongolia ($1,500) were among the items listed for sale on the website in late 2020 and early 2021.

According to the website, “all of our antiquities are guaranteed authentic.”

Mr. Sadigh was brought to the attention of investigators pursuing other dealers involved in the trafficking of looted antiquities, who complained, according to Mr. Bogdanos, that his office was not paying attention to “the guy selling all the fakes.”

When investigators looked into the Sadigh gallery, Mr. Bogdanos said they found someone “too big to not investigate,” rather than a sidewalk peddler of cheap knockoffs.

Mr. Bogdanos recognised a copy of an 11th-century ceramic Khmer Buddha sculpture in the gallery; the original had been seized by the district attorney’s office in a separate case. Other items in the gallery appeared to be replicas of stolen objects from the Iraq Museum, thefts that Mr. Bogdanos assisted in investigating while serving as a Marine colonel in Iraq in 2003.

(Mr. Bogdanos led an effort to recover thousands of items looted by looters during Baghdad’s fall.)

Following Mr. Sadigh’s arrest, prosecutors obtained a second warrant allowing them to search for tools used in the modification of antiquities or “objects purporting to be antiquities,” as well as items such as a $50,000 sarcophagus, a $40,000 cylinder seal, and a $25,000 statue of the goddess Artemis, all of which were suspected of being fakes.

Mr. Sadigh had previously been associated with a dispute over the authenticity of items he had sold, despite his positive online reviews.
This refers to the matter in the posting one before above regarding :

And he FINALLY gets his comeuppance ...

'The owner of a Manhattan gallery was charged with grand larceny and other crimes by prosecutors who say he mass-produced objects that he passed off as ancient artifacts.'


Hoover exhibit canceled over questionable artifacts
by Gregory R. Norfleet · News · April 25, 2019

The Herbert Hoover Presidential Library and Museum last week canceled the opening of the Rosetta Stone exhibit after a professor raised questions regarding the authenticity of a majority of the items.
University of Iowa Associate Professor Bjorn Anderson of the Art and Art History department wrote an April 10 letter to the museum stating that 90 of 125 items in the exhibit, set to open Friday, “are either definite or very likely fakes.”

The company that owns the exhibit is the Origins Museum Institute. The institute’s Marty Martin said he purchased the items about 20 years ago and did not know the items were forgeries.

“It’s a horrible situation,” Martin said. “We had been assured they were authentic pieces and paid handsomely for them.”

Anderson’s letter states that many, if not all, of the items appear to be from Sadigh Gallery of New York. Martin stated that he purchased the items from Sadigh Gallery.

Michael Sadigh said he has run the Sadigh Gallery for more than 15 years but it would be difficult for him to speak to an antiquities sale that long ago.

“I don’t know anything about this,” Sadigh said. “I wasn’t here 20 years ago. They purchased it 20 years ago and somebody now says they’re not real? I don’t know what to say.”

Hoover Library and Museum Director Thomas Schwartz said that the claims of authenticity were key to canceling​ the opening​.

“A great many pieces were presented as authentic and that’s wherein the problem lies,” Schwartz said.

Martin said he does not have the “authority or expertise” to authenticate the items in the Rosetta Stone exhibit, and that he made that clear to the Hoover Museum, and trusted that they were authentic because the seller stated so.

“I didn’t mislead them about giving guarantees,” Martin said. “We trusted the source we got them from. They assured us they were authentic. I do not want (the Hoover Museum) to think we tried to fool them. I was proud of owning those pieces.”

Schwartz said Anderson and graduate assistant Erin Daly on April 5 examined the Rosetta Stone exhibit after the museum invited them to give a talk in June on some of the exhibit highlights. Anderson said he and Daly, an expert on Zodiac seals, visited and took pictures of the items to take back to their offices.

Anderson said that, while they were leaving, Daly commented that she was suspicious of the seals on many of the items, adding that “I’ve never seen any that big or that nice.”

When they looked at, they found many other items with seals of similar quality, and Anderson wondered — and mentioned in his findings to the museum — how the gallery’s website could offer “11 copies of the same statue for sale” if the statues are authentic.

He noted that statues of the same shape can be purchased in different patinas — green, gold, blue, etc.

“How does this work?” he said.

Anderson sent a letter to the museum on April 10 laying out the evidence. Schwartz said after reviewing Anderson’s letter and its appendices that it appeared that the possibility of making these items this way “in the ancient world was next to nil.”

The Hoover Museum arranged the exhibit, but the Hoover Presidential Foundation provided the funding. Foundation President Jerry Fleagle said he supports Schwartz’s decision to cancel and the Foundation wants a refund from Origins Museum.

“I support Tom — he made the right decision,” Fleagle said. “I’m sure that if he knew ahead of time (about the forgeries) he wouldn’t have booked the exhibit.”

From talking with museum staff, Fleagle believes the research was thorough to reach the conclusion the pieces were fake.

“There were just way too many questions,” he said. “You can’t put out an exhibit and advertise the exhibit when it’s not authentic.”

Schwartz said that many traveling exhibits include replicas — and state that up-front — for a variety of reasons, like security and insurance purposes. He said Origins Museum truthfully reported that the centerpiece item, the Rosetta Stone, was cast from the original.

Schwartz said that when museums display exhibits with replicas, they identify those pieces as such in the exhibit. However, after some discussion regarding the Rosetta Stone exhibit, the staff felt it inappropriate even putting the items on display with a note that the items were reproductions or facsimiles.

“We could say the Rosetta Stone was cast from the original, but for the other pieces, we didn’t know if they had actual counterparts someplace,” the director said. “So, after a lot of discussions with Professor Anderson and people in Washington and the Foundation, we thought it was just prudent to cut our losses and not open the show.”

Fleagle said the Foundation put up half of the cost for the exhibit a year and a half ago when it booked the date and paid the second half when the items arrived at the museum.

He declined to share the amount paid, but said it was “not as expensive as others, but not a small amount, either.”

“It will take some time to get our money back,” he said. “I’d rather do it friendly and not use legal action.”

Martin agreed that the Hoover Museum should cancel his company’s exhibit based on their findings.

“This is a terrible calamity for us,” Martin said. “My sympathies go with the people who took them in good faith. I’ve been in communication with the gallery, and they deny the questioning of the authenticity.”

Sadigh said he did not remember receiving a call from Martin regarding the Rosetta Stone exhibit.

“I talk to hundreds of people a day here,” he said. “I will have to do some research.”

Martin said he will seek reparations from Sadigh, which he hopes to use to reimburse the Foundation.

Sadigh said he does not want any bad publicity for his gallery and considered a news article based on someone’s verbal statement regarding his company “not proper.”

“I’m trying to help you as much as I can,” he told the Times. “I don’t like to get wrong or bad publicity. … I do not want to be accused.”

Fleagle noted that legal action is not out of the question and that many of the Foundation board of trustees are themselves lawyers.

“This is a disappointment to everybody all the way around,” Fleagle said. “Fortunately it was discovered before rather than after. Now we can move forward.”

Back-up plan

It so happens that the museum already had an exhibit prepared, Schwartz said.

Due to the five-week-long partial government shutdown that ended in late January, the museum had to cancel an exhibit already in the works and organized by its own staff.

That exhibit, “Collaborative Collectors: Herbert and Lou Hoover,” will replace the Rosetta Stone exhibit, which Schwartz said will be ready by May 18 and run through October 27.

Fleagle said he was glad to see the previously canceled exhibit of rarely seen Hoover items now get a chance for public viewing.

“I can guarantee they will all be authentic,” Fleagle said. “It will be a good exhibit.”
FAKE-RING-data base / Re: Real or Fake?
« Last post by Kelly123 on July 08, 2021, 03:32:38 PM »
You should ask for a refund and send it back AND leave negative feedbck.
Because every time this cheating fraudster is successful in swindling someone it encourages him yet more.
FAKE-RING-data base / Re: Real or Fake?
« Last post by cyberdemonx2002 on July 08, 2021, 01:53:45 AM »
Thanks for the feedback, guys, much appreciated. Yes indeed i purchased it from Antiquiti on ebay. Had no clue who he was at the time. Only paid £26 though. Probably worthless, then. Wonder if it's even silver as claimed. Have now thoroughly read the threads concerning antiquiti/mike. May just keep it as an oddity given i didn't pay much. God sake😆🤦🏻
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