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Offline Blond Devil BR

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Real ancient ring sellers list
« on: October 28, 2022, 06:06:07 PM »
Hello to all.
This is my first publication, and I want to start asking you to forgive my poor english. I Live in Brazil and studied english for many years, but I have not practiced writing for a while...
I created this topic because I began to buy allegedly ancient coins and rings on ebay for about one month, and I think that at least 50% of them are fakes...
I have seen many "Fake ancient artifacts sellers lists", but not even one "Real ancient artifacts sellers list". Is there a recent list of this kind?
Thanks for your attention,
Dennis

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2022, 10:25:22 AM »
Dennis I am unaware of any dynamic (updated) listings that match your description. But the information on this site should help in distinguishing reputable from disreputable merchants - the number of the latter being legion. Suggest you check these databases for known crooks prior to purchasing. You could also post links to and/or photos of the artifact so others may evaluate before you buy.

Gaius

P.S. Your English is much better than my Spanish

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2022, 03:14:30 PM »
Dear Gaius,
Here are the links of nine rings I bought from the famous Mr.Davies before I new he was a faker. Please confirm if all of them are fakes and not from 1500-1700.

1) https://www.ebay.com/itm/155174116897?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ncDRKqcTSwS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=01VYJqiaRlS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

2) https://www.ebay.com/itm/155130896482?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ncDRKqcTSwS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=01VYJqiaRlS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

3) https://www.ebay.com/itm/155101173510?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ncDRKqcTSwS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=01VYJqiaRlS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

4) https://www.ebay.com/itm/155101177673?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ncDRKqcTSwS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=01VYJqiaRlS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

5) https://www.ebay.com/itm/155101172599?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ncDRKqcTSwS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=01VYJqiaRlS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

6) https://www.ebay.com/itm/155059223279?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ncDRKqcTSwS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=01VYJqiaRlS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

7) https://www.ebay.com/itm/155059221947?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ncDRKqcTSwS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=01VYJqiaRlS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

8) https://www.ebay.com/itm/155204142838?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ncDRKqcTSwS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=01VYJqiaRlS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

9) https://www.ebay.com/itm/155174116611?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ncDRKqcTSwS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=01VYJqiaRlS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I and here is his answer when I told him tha I discovered he was one of the biggest seller of fakes on eBay and that I wanted to send the rings back and receive the total refund:

"Unfortunately i cannot issue a refund for the rings until i have received them back as per eBay policy. I am quite disappointed with this, you should send the pictures over to a professional expert before making baseless allegations. I find it quite insulting. If these rings were not as described i would not be telling you to seek an expert opinion would i !"

By the way, is there any antiquities expert between the membros of this blog?

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2022, 03:52:55 PM »
Dennis I had a look at these nine pieces and can tell you categorically none of them are dateable to the Medieval Period:

1. AN ANCIENT BRONZE RING WITH A GEMSTONE INSERT FROM THE MEDIEVAL ERA: Probably vintage costume jewelry. “Gemstone” is likely glass
2.  Same as above. Used to find this stuff at flea markets & garage sales when I was a kid
3. Costume jewelry – same as above
4. Ditto the above
5.  Same as above
6. Appears somewhat older than the other items. Possibly 19th century costume jewelry
7. A really mangled piece of antique junk
8. Late 19th or early 20th century costume jewelry
9. More antique or vintage junk

That antiques-and-artefacts-uk reacted so sharply when you requested a refund is likely attributable to angst over losing the profit. Can't believe for a second any knowledgeable or reputable dealer would mistake this stuff for medieval.

Just my two cents

Gaius

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2022, 02:54:27 PM »
Dear Gaius,
Thank you for the coments about the rings.
I would like to send some technical justifications to Mr. Davies for asking the refund, as he continues to afirm that the rings are authentic ancient items. Can you provide it?

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2022, 05:37:32 PM »
Dennis no reputable dealer would require anyone to substantiate the obvious. If they want to sell a toy ring from a box of Cracker Jack as Caesar's signet the burden of proof is not on the buyer.

Gaius


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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2022, 10:52:34 PM »
Dennis none of the rings in these listings date to the Roman Period. The initial two appear roughly between the 8th and 11th centuries. The assortment in the final listing run the gamut from approximately the 10th and 14th centuries. The exception are the three decorate rosette rings, which are dateable to between the 15th and 17th century. So the good news is they are all authentic. The bad news is none of them are Roman. If you have your heart set on a Roman ring, skip these three listings.

Gaius

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2022, 01:30:00 AM »
Thank you one more time.
Can you tell me were to find pictures of real roman rings? I will use them for comparison in my quest for some authentic ones....

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2022, 10:45:26 AM »
You will find this useful though it is fairly basic.

https://finds.org.uk/counties/findsrecordingguides/finger-rings/

Kelly

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2022, 10:53:36 AM »
Dennis five printed recommendations are as follows:


F.H. Marshall, Catalogue of the Finger Rings: Greek, Etruscan and Roman, in the departments of antiquities, British Museum. Originally published in 1907. Pictures are tiny & grainy but a ton of examples with accompanying descriptions


O.M. Dalton, Catalogue of the Finger Rings, Early Christian, Byzantine, Teutonic, Medieval and Later ..... In The Museum British Museum. Another standard reference, this one from 1912


Friedrich Henkel, Die römischen Fingerringe der Rheinlande und der benachbarten Gebiete. Roman rings from Germany. Published in 1913. Grainy pictures again and text is in German
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T.N. Pollio, Ancient Rings: An Illustrated Collector’s Guide. A good modern compilation of common finger rings from the Bronze Age to early Modern Period. Available in paperback and eBook from Amazon

T.N. Pollio, The Art of Medieval Jewelry: An Illustrated History. Another profusely illustrated modern study of common finger rings from the 6th to 16th century. Also available from Amazon

Gaius

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2022, 01:00:09 PM »
The two book by Tom Pollio mentioned above are to be especially recommended.

This review is entirely correct.



This comprehensive guide fills a critical void in the available literature regarding ancient finger rings comprised of base metals and low grade silver alloy. Increasingly, these modest relics of times past are being unearthed and sold through a growing assortment of worldwide venues. Unfortunately, the accompanying descriptions are often inaccurate and unreliable in the extreme. To date, the available reference material for researchers and collectors has been almost entirely restricted to the historic and "high end" pieces of the past, i.e., the gold and precious stones of royalty and the very wealthy. The public has had next to nothing with which to evaluate these common rings.

This guide not only examines the physical structure of these pieces, but also the images and symbols which are such important elements of these ancient artifacts. As such, this book is an invaluable guide not only for merchants and collectors, but also researchers, students and educators regarding the types of ancient rings so conspicuously missing in the available literature.

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Re: Real ancient ring sellers list
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2022, 10:50:24 PM »
Thanks to you two, Gaius and Admin. I will try to get any one of theses references and train a lot for being able to chose serious sellers on ebay.